Sports Forum - RE: Liverpool 09/10 Season Thread - Page 3

1) Its a rediculously timed friendly and whomever at the FA sanctioned it should seriously look at his credentials for doing the job he is charged with

2) I don't care whether the players is contracted to Liverpool, Tottenham, Scum U or Wigan if you have even a remote ache I don't blame them for pulling out and [hopefully] ensuring they are fit and raring to go for the curtain raisers to the new season this weekend



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Arent most countries playing a game this week, therefore its not just the FA, theyre probably fulfilling a commitment to Fifa or Uefa



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Kennedy's right, it's an official international week, as there are World Cup Qualifiers on in the European qualifying stages.

I liked the fiver's comment

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Yesterday, Foster pulled out with a punctured reputation

Even Nani who dislocated his shoulder on the weekend and was supposedly a doubt for a few weeks has gone to play in a friendly for Portugal away in Liechtenstein of all places and he's coming out saying he still hopes to play.

I'm hoping that's purely him making comments to look good, rather than intentions to play :s

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Arent most countries playing a game this week, therefore its not just the FA, theyre probably fulfilling a commitment to Fifa or Uefa

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Kennedy's right, it's an official international week, as there are World Cup Qualifiers on in the European qualifying stages.

Well no, from what I know he's only part right

It is an international week - for those playing World Cup Qualifiers. So i'd say he's right there

However, we do not have one this week and therefore do not have, as far as I have heard or can tell, any commitment to FIFA / UEFA. Every report / media discussion i've heard as said the FA agreed to take the game with the Dutch FA. On that basis i'd say he kennedy is not right

The reason we have taken this meaningless, pointless friendly is .... well I dont know what it is.
It can't be to help pay for Wembley because it's away from home!!
I can't believe that Mr Capello and the FA feel they need another game to "look at players" that they have known for ages.
Especially given that for years all we've heard about is "the number of games players are playing" etc etc and so they go and increase the work load for no obvious gain

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It is an international week - for those playing World Cup Qualifiers. So i'd say he's right there

However, we do not have one this week and therefore do not have, as far as I have heard or can tell, any commitment to FIFA / UEFA. Every report / media discussion i've heard as said the FA agreed to take the game with the Dutch FA. On that basis i'd say he kennedy is not right

I was pretty sure that FIFA do have a fixture list of international weeks, including friendlies and I have confirmed on their site.

Surprised though that the currently planned ones covered the period from 2008-2014!

At least we can't argue about prior notice.

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According to that though there are no "Official matches" to be played today
Which is evidentally incorrect (scotland vs norway for one example)

So how much reliance do we place on this schedule and what it is meant to show?

The other thing is just because it fixes that as a date for a match where does it say that a match MUST be played.
Is it not just saying that if one is to be played this is the date you must play it on?


From an article on the FIFA website re England playing friendlies (Feb 2007)

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=111748.html


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McClaren confirmed he could abandon some England friendlies and replace them with training camps.


Although the Football Association are committed to playing 18 friendlies over the course of the four-year television deal which comes into effect following UEFA EURO 2008, there is enough flexibility within the contract for England not to have to play every time a date is available.


In the aftermath of last week's debacle against Spain, McClaren's assistant Terry Venables suggested it would be better for England not to play friendlies and instead push themselves through three meaningful training sessions.


With the new Wembley Stadium to pay for, there is no chance of the FA abandoning friendlies en masse. Instead, McClaren will pick his way through the fixture calendar in an attempt to ensure every England game retains some meaning.


That doesnt suggest that there is a definitive "commitment" to playing friendlies for FIFA









Items (d) and (e) on this FIFA regulation page re release of players would support the theory that the "fixed dates" are only days on which matches can be played not days on which friendly matches must be played


http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/ps_792_en-annex_ii_74.pdf


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According to that though there are no "Official matches" to be played today
Which is evidentally incorrect
So how much reliance do we place on this schedule and what it is meant to show?

I'd assume that the difference there is it's an "open date" because when that was created, the world cup qualifying groups would not have been drawn, and it's use is to play games that they are unable to tie into the "fixed calendar" for qualifiers.
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The other thing is just because it fixes that as a date for a match where does it say that a match MUST be played. Is it not just saying that if one is to be played this is the date you must play it on?

I'm not saying that the FA have to, just explaining why they have decided on this date for a friendly. Like you've pointed out there it looks like they have the commitment because of the tv contract signed whenever.

I'd guess it would only solve part of the problem, as the other countries around the world would still be sorting out their fixtures, so you would still have all non-english players going on duty, which are the majority nowadays anyway.

Don't forget the Premier League is actually not part of the FA anymore, so they are separate entities, and fix their own fixtures separate to the FA. Not sure on who sorts their fixture dates first actually?? (I'm purely guessing on everything said above also)

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Don't forget the Premier League is actually not part of the FA anymore, so they are separate entities, and fix their own fixtures separate to the FA. Not sure on who sorts their fixture dates first actually??

I imagine that this friendly would have been arranged after the EPL fixture dates were set.

Whilst the EPL is not "part of the FA" it must still fall under the FA's remit otherwise I would assume that players in the EPL would not need to adhere to the FIFA rules when representing the FA

ie i;d think if there was no link at all then a player who makes himself unavailable and played in the EPL a few days later couldn't be punished under the FIFA laws as he isnt actually anything to do with the association who have entered their national team in whatever competition it was???





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Whilst the EPL is not "part of the FA" it must still fall under the FA's remit otherwise I would assume that players in the EPL would not need to adhere to the FIFA rules when representing the FA

ie i;d think if there was no link at all then a player who makes himself unavailable and played in the EPL a few days later couldn't be punished under the FIFA laws as he isnt actually anything to do with the association who have entered their national team in whatever competition it was???

Surely that would mean all players could refuse to play in internationals as long as it wasn't for England??

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