DVDs & Films Forum - RE: Hobbit To Shoot At 48fps - Page 2

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I guess the problem is LotR is such an epic story and The Hobbit really isn't. It's a good fun story (and the trailer does look like they have included much of the fun in it) but not in anyway remotely on the scale of the LotR.Pretty much nail on the head there.  Can't see how they're going to stretch it out to two films.  Could have made one great 2 1/2 hr film.

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A previewing critic is unimpressed with 48fps

Apparently it looks like an old Doctor Who episode

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Only a relatively small audience saw the demo reel at CinemaCon and yet there's an awful lot of misinformed and downright pig-ignorant talk being bandied about the web.  The naysayers, whether they have actually seen the footage or not, seem upset by the idea that 48fps "doesn't look cinematic", and that the footage looks like it has been TruMotion processed.

TruMotion is the television manufacturers' version of VidFIRE, the motion extrapolation system developed by the BBC to recover the 50 video field look from film recordings.  TV manufacturers use TruMotion to produce 100Hz video from a 50Hz source.  Both processes extrapolate frames between genuine frames.

48fps is shot at 48fps - hence the name.  There is no computer generated in-betweening of frames, you are genuinely getting twice as much visual information presented per second as with a conventional film presentation.

Describing the effect as reminiscent of "The effect of watching 1970’s BBC television dramas" (AICN) or "It looked like an old Doctor Who episode, or a videotaped BBC TV production." (IGN Movies) is ingenuous in the extreme.  To me, that conjures up an image that is very softly focussed, flatly lit and smeary and yet the IGN writer goes on to say "Here, there were incredibly sharp, realistic images where colors seem more vivid and brighter than on film".  I think the problem is more one of the viewers' comfort zone than shortcomings in the filming process.

A lot of people expect a big movie to look like a big movie.  They expect the flicker and the other tells that conform to their expectations sitting in a theatre watching a movie.  Presenting them with an image with the fluidity of motion of a television picture, but with the resolution of a cinema picture causes a clash of expectations.  Although 3D may come and go, I suspect the more immersive experience of 48fps may win more fans and that may wind up The Next Big Thing.

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My understanding from reading the negative press, that is unfortunately because it is so clear it makes the sets/make up etc look more obvious, which is where a lot of the negativity is actually that it felt less immersive.



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The footage I saw looked terrible … completely non-cinematic. The sets looked like sets … sets don’t even look like sets when you’re on them live, but these looked like sets. The magical illusion of cinema is stripped away completely.”I think this is what everyone's mainly complaining about. When you watch a movie now, it looks like a movie. Smooth enough, but not crystal clear. making the screen look like 'you're looking at the action through a window' won't give you that movie 'feel'. Plus, if the CGI isn't rendered at the same level of clarity, it'll stick out like a sore thumb.

Also, expect to pay more for 48FPS movies at the cinema. They tack enough on for 3D movies

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24fps was a trade-off for the film industry between cost and reducing flicker. Every minute of screen time in the theatre includes 30 seconds of darkness where the projector shutter is closed to hide the film being transported forwards. Digital projection doesn't require a closed shutter - the image simply refreshes. That means each frame is held static on the screen for 1/24 of a second.

Video (in this country) runs at 50 fields per second - half a frame of odd lines and half a frame of even lines. This makes for a smoother but lower resolution picture.

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In the 1980s, Douglas Trumbull (2001's special effects guru) made Brainstorm starriring Natalie Wood and Christopher Walken. The movie included a number of "enhanced" sequences shot and projected at 60fps in its showcase showings. One sequence (a rollercoaster, I think) had audiences rolling out of their seats on corners.

I think 48fps has an uphill struggle for acceptance, but I think ultimately it will find an audience like IMAX did.

J Mark Oates
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Will be interesting to see what this looks like. I love the look of film, and there is no doubt 24fps hides a multitude of sins in some situations whilst destroying a nice scenic pan in others.

Though seeing as I haven't even managed to catch a 3D movie yet...


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Ah well, therein lies the problem for 48fps - everybody equates the image "tells" of 24fps cinema as quality and budget. It's why virtually everything shot for television on video gets filmised these days. I love the look of film, and movies viewed with Trumotion motion smoothing just look wrong - like the film keeps speeding up and slowing down.

I'll be interested to see if the next generation of tvs (18 months down the line) will be capable of 1080p/48 or whether they'll go for 2160p/24.

J Mark Oates
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